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The Father: Truth Teller, The Mother: Aya granny, Daughter 1: Najma, Daughter 2: HNK.

Tuesday, March 15, 2005

Out of the hands of justice

Every day Nineveh TV show us a number of peoples arrested for the suspicion of being terrorists.
In the interview,most of whom confessed that they killed so and so, attacked the police centers and some even confessed that they rape many women.

Today in the news they show us that the police releases 118 arrested persons who were proved to be innocents.

Before I heard this news, I was talking to one of my patients, he lived in a village 20 km from Mosul, he told me this story:
"yesterday I visited one of my relative, who was arrested for suspicious of being terrorist, he appeared on the TV and confessed during the inreview that he killed so many people and did other offensive acts. When we asked him how did they released you and you did so and so, he answered that the police officers had tortured him and beat him almost to death, and dictated the answers for him befor asking them, and forced him to say that confession in the TV conversation."
This remind me in a note from one of the commenter to my post "In the hand of justice" who said "In the west it is believed better to release 10 suspected criminals than to mistakenly punish one innocent. Without indisputable evidence or testimony even the most evil and vile people are set free."

I want to ask him (the commenter) what he will say about 118 persons arrested and tortured and forced to confess of being did some things never happened?? . Are the people in the west differ from the people in the middle east??

BTW. I believed this story is true because, as I told you before, the assumed terrorists confessed killing some peoples who still alive, I know one of those who their names mentioned as being killed.
ps. We have a ministry called (Ministry of Human rights).!!!

Where are the human rights ??


Blogger WC said...

I have been very uneasy about these broadcasts. They are easily manipulated. Worse. To a people starved for justice they represent the "bread & circus" ploy of ancient Roman rulers. Giving the people what they want is a sly way to blind them to the harsh reality (and required sacrifice) of real solutions.

I am glad y'all are posting as a family. Very cool. Very insightful.

Happy Trails!

3/16/2005 03:34:00 PM

Blogger John said...


I am 100% behind you, I am totally understanding of the reality of the propogandists. Peace and love to you and your family. Never a day goes by when I don't hope that you will be able to one day define your world as normal. I will forever dream that all Iraqis will one day live in freedom and define their own destiny without the manipulation of a foreign military!

Stay Safe!


3/16/2005 08:19:00 PM

Blogger Bill said...

The best news report I could find on this is at http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0302IraqTapes02-ON.html
I do believe this is propaganda from the Wolf Brigade.
(Short definition of propaganda:
ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one's cause or to damage an opposing cause; also : a public action having such an effect)
(propaganda is not allways a bad thing)IMHO ;o)
Also and with all do respect I don't think it is a good thing to rely on second hand information about someone who was supposedly tortured and beat almost to death.
The question was never answered, why then was he released? I think your question to (the commenter) was answered with the release of the 118...a few years ago they probably would have all just disapeared.
Further investigation of the mater is surely needed and I hope you can speak with some of the victims personaly.
ps. I love your family blog..very cool...and most interesting reading.

3/17/2005 11:18:00 AM

Blogger carpetbagger said...

Aside from the human toll mentioned in this post, what is all of this really worth if they are not getting at the real root of the problems in Iraq? The wasted steps and wasted time to exact information from someone who has done nothing is an outrage. Also, when you see hard numbers like the one mentioned, you can pretty much double that for the people who fell under this treatment and didn't have it reported. It is a shame.... hang in there truth teller. The light will be shone on truth.

3/17/2005 05:45:00 PM

Blogger CURTIS said...

I agree that the interviews with the "terrorists" were very strange to say the least.

The fact that 118 individuals were released was a positive sign, that tell you the system is at a level that it can admit mistakes. Under Saddam such mistakes would have been buried along with the individuals. The judicial and police systems will never be perfect, not even in America, however, hopefully it will move in the right direction.

3/18/2005 11:08:00 AM

Blogger Gryfen said...

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3/18/2005 04:55:00 PM

Blogger Gryfen said...

{please excuse my previous deletion, I had some embarrassing grammar and spelling errors to correct}

It seems to me; that much of the problem with a lot of elements within the Iraqi Police Forces is that they’ve seen / heard of one way of doing things (Sadam’s way) for a very long time. The coalition forces methods / western standards of justice would be a very new standard. American (and European) police use subtlety, mind-games, and evidence to withdraw the truth from people; this is something that potential detectives spend years in studying from certified professors.

The volunteer soldiers working with volunteer police are doing the best they can to aide in establishing fair and balanced practices. However, the soldiers are not certified professors, and the IPF personnel have likely known nothing other than Sadam’s brutality as a method of enforcement. And some, unbeknownst to coalition forces, may have been a part of that brutality.

It is, in my opinion, unreasonable to expect such polarized changes so quickly. These massive shifts in judiciary practice will require an elected body of officials dedicated to carrying out the will of the majority without fear of reprisal for that effort. Such polar changes cannot be reasonably expected ‘overnight’.
How many mass graves have been discovered to date? Do people honestly expect to go from 'mass graves' to 'innocent until proven guilty' in less than one generation?

It's not easy, but Germany's rise after WWII is testament that such an astronomical goal is possible. What are the Iraqi people going to do to facilitate that goal?

Please note that I do not compare the Iraqi people with Nazi’s!
I would like to highlight Germany’s challenges at the end of WWII with what Iraq now faces. Do consider that the struggles facing Iraq, and the nation’s potential have much in common with the situation Germany faced and ultimately overcame.

Your Ministry of Human Rights will be a busy office for a while. My hat's off to them for their bravery and effort!

3/18/2005 05:02:00 PM

Blogger Ann said...

The stories about people saying that they were taken and beaten and forced to confess are only hear-say until a judge finds them to be admissible evidence or they can prove what they are saying.

Unfortunately, while you know a guy didn't turn into a donkey on the way to a police station and giant spiders the size of camels didn't attack Marines - you really can't say whether your friends friend is reporting the truth, or is pathological (convinced himself somehow that it happened to him - like an alien abduction story), or is knowingly lying - for some motive you can't figure out. Likewise, there aren't any peer reviews or credibility to the tv broadcasts.

My suggestion is this. Even if the reports on the tv show are completely true, something about the way that they are being broadcast is upsetting to you. I think it would upset me also. Perhaps you could:

* write to the advertisers who have commercials during that show and tell them you don't like seeing their name associated with such poor programming

* write letters to newspapers and encourage other people to start letter writing, fax, or email campaigns

* find private funding from some outside group for your own show to counter it

* campaign to get people to turn the show off and not watch it

Well, hope this helps!

3/21/2005 07:17:00 PM


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