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The Father: Truth Teller, The Mother: Aya granny, Daughter 1: Najma, Daughter 2: HNK.

Monday, March 21, 2005

I demonstrate from my place..

I heard about this from my aunt on the phone yesterday, but I didn't post about it since she had no enough information about it, and I waited for the media to give me more info.

It seems that the media isn't intending to talk about it, and it's the bloggers' job to inform you of it..

I will just quote Zeyad, who posted about this today:

No one seems to have reported the latest events in Basrah. Not any of the news services or the blogs.

Students of the Basrah and Shatt Al-Arab universities in Basrah city have been on strike for the last three days as a reaction to the attack last week by Sadrists and Mahdi Army militiamen on tens of students organising a field trip or a picnic at Al-Andalus park, downtown Basrah.

Hooded men assaulted the students with rubber cables and truncheons which resulted in the death of a Christian girl, Zahra Ashour, and another student who came to her rescue after militiamen had tore off her clothes and were beating her to death. He was shot in the head.

Students say that their belongings, such as mobile phones, cameras, stereo players and loudspeakers, were stolen or smashed to pieces by the militiamen. Girl students not wearing headscarves, most of them Christian, were severely beaten and at least 20 students were kidnapped and taken to Sadr's office in Al-Tuwaisa for 'interrogation' and were only released late at night.

Students also say the police and British soldiers were nearby but did not intervene.

Read the REST here..

"It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets."



Blogger David said...

One of the basic tenets in a democracy, as it is written in the Declaration of Independence, is the right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". It's absence leaves a void that is filled by fear, hatred, ignorance, and terror...Democracy is worth "demonstrating" for...

3/22/2005 04:20:00 AM

Blogger Fayrouz said...


First, I like the colors you chose for the new blog. They're very calm.

Ali Fadhil posted about this case before Zeyad. He approached it in a different way though. He emphysized on the postive outcome of what happened to those students.

I wrote about it today. The girl didn't die. See more details here.

What bothers me the most is this being a college picnic to a public park -- Honestly I never liked that park. The School of Engineering has at least 5 departments. Each department has at least 200 students. That's total 1000 students. Let's say 30% showed up to the picnic. That's 300 students. So, how come one student came to the rescue of the girl? Why couldn't this big number of students stop the mob from attacking the female students?

It's sad that the cops watched this without interfering. I think there's a lot of corruption in Basra's governerate from what I read lately.

3/22/2005 09:15:00 AM

Blogger Aunt Najma said...

FAyrouz, thanks for writing that post, I linked to it as you can see..

I came to the conclusion that today's youth (Males in particular) are much more coward (Execuse me for the word) than yesterday's.. They don't know what "responsibility" means. Not all for sure, but the majority. Maybe because their parents are so afraid for them that they've spoiled them MORE than necessary! I don't know.. However, I think those in outside Iraq are much better, and ours will hopefully learn from them.

3/22/2005 11:20:00 AM

Blogger Fayrouz said...


I agree with you. We really had better youth during my time. They were even better during your parents time.

3/22/2005 01:27:00 PM

Blogger Gryfen said...

Aunt Najma;

This is not in any way unique to Iraq. 2 cases come immediately to mind:

--Most recent, in an American Fast Food (pizza, I believe) restaurant, a woman crowded in line. When one person said something to her about crowding she threw a tantrum; went outside and got her boyfriend. The boyfriend proceeded to beat the other guy while 20 or so people stood around and did nothing. (the guy who was beaten didn’t make a concerted effort to defend himself either)

--A short time ago: Some thugs were parading around through the cars of a train or sub-way in France. They mugged a woman in plain view of a few dozen other passengers. In her purse, they found something which led them to believe that the woman was Jewish. They then proceeded to rip her shirt off and write (with a marker or pen) swastikas and anti-Semitic slogans on her upper body. In the struggle, the carriage with her baby in it was overturned. Out of everyone in the train, no one lifted a finger to help her.

In both cases, no one suffered permanent physical injury. In the case of the assault at the pizza-place, both the woman and her boyfriend received jail sentences. I have not heard if the perpetrators of the attack in France were caught.

Sad but true:
--In most cases, people will gladly sit out a violent episode…just happy that they are not the victim.
--In many other cases, people will timidly sit out a violent episode….afraid of the legal repercussions and complications in their lives if they get involved.

I have an acquaintance who some would say is paranoid. He will not leave his home without some sort of weapon, he is licensed, trained, and within his legal rights to carry pepper spray, knives, and firearms concealed on his person. He will carry one, or some combination of the three on his person at all times in public areas.

A while ago, I would have agreed with those who called him paranoid, but you know he stated it very well:
“Sheep cannot be expected to protect other sheep”.

3/22/2005 05:16:00 PM

Blogger bosaxi said...

Gryfen, yes, the larger the group, the less likely one person will stick their head out and intervene - this is just a psychological fact of nature.

But as for your examples... that women made up that story about being assaulted on the bus! Google it...

And... that pizza brawl was caught on tape, which I've seen - the man was a huge 350 pound black man. No sane person would want to intervene in that - and there were about 5 or six people waiting in line not 20. Also, none of them were as big as that crazy 350 pounder, and it happened so fast and ended too quickly for people to properly react.

In this case all of you are completely wrong - this was a gang of heavilly armed muslim fanatics attacking helpless unarmed college students. People trying to stop it were beaten and in some cases shot and killed.

This is not the playground after school - this was a life and death situation. The people at fault are of course the police and the apathetic british who control basra, NOT THE VICTIMS.

3/22/2005 06:53:00 PM

Blogger Fayrouz said...


Here's a good story happened while I lived in Australia.

I lived in an Iraqi suburb. Yes, almost everyone who lives in that suburb is Iraqi. One day a guy not from the suburb followed an Iraqi girl and snatched her bag. She screamed and the Iraqi guys seeing what happened, they ran to her help. The guy got بسطة عراقية and was asked not to try and do that again in our suburb.

3/22/2005 11:18:00 PM

Blogger Gryfen said...

I don't have time to google it right now...but I will.
And every one else, If bosaxi is correct: I apologise, I did not intend to put out false infomation.

3/23/2005 02:56:00 AM

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